19-20 he promises to be a vates for Octavian's camp, in 3.
Though Vergil is not as preoccupied with his own poetics as Propertius is, he is careful to cast himself as a vates when he chronicles the history of Rome in the second half of the Aeneid (7.
Closely linked to the idea that the vates has the authority to speak about political events and interpret history, is the idea that the vates should instruct people.
18) For an old, but still relevant discussion of the vates concept in Augustan poetry, see Newman 1967.
Beth bynnag dwi'n feddwl a ddweud fe fydd arddull Vates
yn plesio ym Mlaenau ac yn y Ring, yn chwistrelliad angenrheidiol o naturioldeb tanddaearol, yn adwaith positif i'r crap, ac fe fydd gwleidyddiaeth Prysor yn sicrhau na fydd Vates
yn "gwerthuallan" ac yn rhan o'r wannabies arferol sy'n dringo'r ysgol tuag at y nirfana nefolaidd Cyfryngol Cymraeg.
Yet because he is asking Nemesis to spare her sacer vates, he is blending the concepts of sacer vates and vates Elegiae, a connection he makes more clear with his joining of vates to the poetas of the previous line, and with the insertion of puella into the phrase vat parce.
Ovid's notion of the vates Elegiae, however, is very different from Tibullus'.
15 with a change of context for vates suggesting, significantly, a function for his bard.
Similar to this use of Taliesin is Drayton's use of Merlin: in both cases, while the poet-figure is indeed associated with the transcendence of time, his role as vates is substituted for his role as historiographer, calling into question whether any solution to the antiquarian problem truly exists.
Thus, with Taliesin, and with Merlin especially, we sense that Drayton harbors a special admiration for and desire for communion with the vates figure, and that these feelings correspond to the poet's basic wish to transcend the limits of time; we also sense, however, that Drayton ultimately fails to apply such sentiments to the problem of antiquarianism.